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alfvaen ([personal profile] alfvaen) wrote2005-01-07 10:50 pm

Thunder Rolled

For some reason, recently, I was thinking of whether theism could be compatible with evolution, despite my continuing lack of theistic tendencies myself.

See, the thing is that evolution is entirely contingent. Living beings reproduce, sharing their genetic code to create variations on themselves, or getting mutated. The reason that natural selection seems to produce "progress" is based on statistical tendencies. It's conceivable for every carrier of a beneficial mutation to die before producing any offspring. It's conceivable, if history were rerun, for eukaryotic life to never arise before the planet gets engulfed by the sun. It's also conceivable for every human born for the next hundred years to have no Y chromosomes, entirely through random chance. But enough of that.

Let's say that an omnipotent deity didn't just want to populate the earth from spare parts over seven days. Let's say it saw some potential in genetic inheritance, and decided to build everything that way. Being omnipotent(and I've always presumed that omniscience was part of omnipotence), it could conceivably manipulate every single genetic interaction that ever took place on the planet, picking which genes combine with which genes, which random mutations happen, which strategically-placed carbon-14 atoms decay to nitrogen right in the middle of a strand of DNA. It could manipulate every step of the process until it arrived at the precise bipedal sentient form it was looking for. At which point the thorny issue of free will enters the picture.

I'm not saying this is going to convince any of the "intelligent design" people...but it could be that all God does is play dice. Except that he always knows where they're going to land.

[identity profile] paigedayspring.livejournal.com 2005-01-08 05:51 am (UTC)(link)
I only got to read the first paragraph but I have to go to bed. Right after I get off work tomorrow....

[identity profile] rimrunner.livejournal.com 2005-01-08 05:54 am (UTC)(link)
I know a lot of people who believe exactly this. Personally when I start thinking along these lines, I get to wondering whether such a deity has consciousness or not...

[identity profile] 1istener.livejournal.com 2005-01-08 06:49 am (UTC)(link)
It's also conceivable for every human born for the next hundred years to have no Y chromosomes, entirely through random chance.

That thought alone is awesome and could make a pretty neat novel.

This whole post was cool. I have trouble believing in god, but it's an interesting idea.

[identity profile] iamo.livejournal.com 2005-01-08 07:06 am (UTC)(link)
I don't think you'd need to go to much effort to convince Intelligent Design people that this is the case, since this is largely what they believe to begin with afaik.

[identity profile] boutell.livejournal.com 2005-01-08 02:42 pm (UTC)(link)
Well, sure, and there's also the "god was moving at nearly the speed of light for six days" theory that kinda goes along with this. I'm a bit more inclined to go with the weak anthropic principle, though. And a gentle reminder that leopards are pretty precise forms too. Most everything still living on Earth is the "highest and best product" of evolution.

[identity profile] paigedayspring.livejournal.com 2005-01-08 11:58 pm (UTC)(link)
See, I've believed in most of what you said there for quite some time. I was recently mentioning to someone that there is no formal title for these beliefs, though, so you have to go through the whole thing to explain yourself.

But I hadn't thought of the manipulation of every genetic interaction. I think the basic human was created and man in all its' myraid of forms evolved from there.